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		<title>By: Yaro Kasear</title>
		<link>http://blog.sillica.com/2008/05/30/valve-source-engine-to-hit-linux-soon/comment-page-2/#comment-54540</link>
		<dc:creator>Yaro Kasear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 05:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a followup of my own.

Used Windows 7 for a while, and it doesn&#039;t really improve much on what I had mentioned in my previous comment, including the drivers-needed problem. And of course, once I had all my drivers installed, I started getting BAD_POOL_HEADER bluescreens. Something I understand is actually commonplace in Windows 7. And this is for drivers written specifically for Windows 7.

How is it that Linux can continue to offer me updated drivers and STILL never have a SINGLE kernel panic, but Windows has to wait around for a SECOND service pack to resolve driver issues?

I switched from Ubuntu to Arch, also. Drivers still there waiting for me with the stock kernel. And I still had to install nVidia&#039;s driver myself, which still goes way faster than on Windows because I don&#039;t even have to load a GUI up to do it. Just use pacman from the console. BAM, I got fully functional GUI, complete with full-scale visual effects in five minutes, tops.

The reason I switched from Ubuntu is Pulse Audio. Some moron amongst the devs decided that Ubuntu needed it and ruined sound. Arch attracted me because it installs just teh core and lets me play and decide what I want. Thus no garbage like Pulse Audio or stuff I REALLY don&#039;t want like Mono go byebye.

As for Source... well, recent development is that OS X just got a port. And one person commented a year or so ago that Valve wouldn&#039;t do that. So maybe, just *maybe* we might see Valve give Linux users some love finally. I remember when Phoronix went off its kilter reporting a port that wasn&#039;t actually occuring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a followup of my own.</p>
<p>Used Windows 7 for a while, and it doesn&#8217;t really improve much on what I had mentioned in my previous comment, including the drivers-needed problem. And of course, once I had all my drivers installed, I started getting BAD_POOL_HEADER bluescreens. Something I understand is actually commonplace in Windows 7. And this is for drivers written specifically for Windows 7.</p>
<p>How is it that Linux can continue to offer me updated drivers and STILL never have a SINGLE kernel panic, but Windows has to wait around for a SECOND service pack to resolve driver issues?</p>
<p>I switched from Ubuntu to Arch, also. Drivers still there waiting for me with the stock kernel. And I still had to install nVidia&#8217;s driver myself, which still goes way faster than on Windows because I don&#8217;t even have to load a GUI up to do it. Just use pacman from the console. BAM, I got fully functional GUI, complete with full-scale visual effects in five minutes, tops.</p>
<p>The reason I switched from Ubuntu is Pulse Audio. Some moron amongst the devs decided that Ubuntu needed it and ruined sound. Arch attracted me because it installs just teh core and lets me play and decide what I want. Thus no garbage like Pulse Audio or stuff I REALLY don&#8217;t want like Mono go byebye.</p>
<p>As for Source&#8230; well, recent development is that OS X just got a port. And one person commented a year or so ago that Valve wouldn&#8217;t do that. So maybe, just *maybe* we might see Valve give Linux users some love finally. I remember when Phoronix went off its kilter reporting a port that wasn&#8217;t actually occuring.</p>
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		<title>By: Titles of Nobility</title>
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		<dc:creator>Titles of Nobility</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well written post. Will there be a follow up sometime soon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well written post. Will there be a follow up sometime soon?</p>
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		<title>By: Disco Danivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Disco Danivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a steam account and would love to play my games on linux.</description>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really hope this happens.  It will break down one of the biggest barriers for linux.  Yeah, it still has it&#039;s weak spots that need to be fixed, but so does windows.  The difference?  The flaws in Windows aren&#039;t getting better.  Worse if anything.  One only needs to try out each new Ubuntu release to see how rapidly it is improving.  Valve holds a lot of power here.  If they do this and it has a lot of success it could very well trigger a tidal wave of linux gaming support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really hope this happens.  It will break down one of the biggest barriers for linux.  Yeah, it still has it&#8217;s weak spots that need to be fixed, but so does windows.  The difference?  The flaws in Windows aren&#8217;t getting better.  Worse if anything.  One only needs to try out each new Ubuntu release to see how rapidly it is improving.  Valve holds a lot of power here.  If they do this and it has a lot of success it could very well trigger a tidal wave of linux gaming support.</p>
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		<title>By: l0sc8a</title>
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		<dc:creator>l0sc8a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 05:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would really like to see this happen. The halflife games are the only FPS games really I like. Linux guys, ms has affiliate programs in India that compensate ms trolls so don&#039;t feed them or repeat anything they write. When ms trolls get started stop and ask yourself, would I try to argue/explain that Two Girls One Cup is gross? Just leave them be. Open source is winning on it&#039;s merit not from sweaty teenage evangelization. When someone asks you for help switching to Linux are you ready with useful info?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would really like to see this happen. The halflife games are the only FPS games really I like. Linux guys, ms has affiliate programs in India that compensate ms trolls so don&#8217;t feed them or repeat anything they write. When ms trolls get started stop and ask yourself, would I try to argue/explain that Two Girls One Cup is gross? Just leave them be. Open source is winning on it&#8217;s merit not from sweaty teenage evangelization. When someone asks you for help switching to Linux are you ready with useful info?</p>
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		<title>By: eclipse</title>
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		<dc:creator>eclipse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is an excitng prospect. It would make linux gaming a lot easier(not that it is difficult) and open up a huge market for valve. Also a big step forward for linux and open source in general.
This will help fuel faster/better development for such things like graphics drives under linux.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is an excitng prospect. It would make linux gaming a lot easier(not that it is difficult) and open up a huge market for valve. Also a big step forward for linux and open source in general.<br />
This will help fuel faster/better development for such things like graphics drives under linux.</p>
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		<title>By: @TransGender\"Sonic\"Bender</title>
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		<dc:creator>@TransGender\"Sonic\"Bender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have fun with all your bullshit DRM, your SONY rootkits :P, your VIRUSES, your SPYWARE, AND YOUR F****ing BLUE SCREENS :P

I OC&#039;d a linux server to handle in HLDS CS:S 300+ FPS registration SERVER SIDE. 1.6 ran over 3000fps :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have fun with all your bullshit DRM, your SONY rootkits <img src='http://blog.sillica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> , your VIRUSES, your SPYWARE, AND YOUR F****ing BLUE SCREENS <img src='http://blog.sillica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I OC&#8217;d a linux server to handle in HLDS CS:S 300+ FPS registration SERVER SIDE. 1.6 ran over 3000fps <img src='http://blog.sillica.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tumbleweedius</title>
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		<dc:creator>tumbleweedius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, let&#039;s get out our derailed comment thread checklists.

Obvious trolls / Ignorant fools whining about how Linux is shit? Check.

Linux lovers jerking each other off? Check.

Pointlessly long comments about nothing in particular except pointing out the obvious fact that the user is either trolling or completely ignorant? Checkaroo.

I like Linux too, but every comment thread on any post relating to linux in any way ever always turns into a massive circlejerk / bitchfest. I call it Linus&#039; law(l).

How about talking about the source engine being ported to Linux like you&#039;re supposed to be?

On topic, I&#039;m really looking forward to the possibility of playing popular games that don&#039;t have to be run through WINE / Cedega! A royal pain in the ass, it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, let&#8217;s get out our derailed comment thread checklists.</p>
<p>Obvious trolls / Ignorant fools whining about how Linux is shit? Check.</p>
<p>Linux lovers jerking each other off? Check.</p>
<p>Pointlessly long comments about nothing in particular except pointing out the obvious fact that the user is either trolling or completely ignorant? Checkaroo.</p>
<p>I like Linux too, but every comment thread on any post relating to linux in any way ever always turns into a massive circlejerk / bitchfest. I call it Linus&#8217; law(l).</p>
<p>How about talking about the source engine being ported to Linux like you&#8217;re supposed to be?</p>
<p>On topic, I&#8217;m really looking forward to the possibility of playing popular games that don&#8217;t have to be run through WINE / Cedega! A royal pain in the ass, it is.</p>
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		<title>By: LC - episode #10 at Linuxcrypt.net Podcast</title>
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		<dc:creator>LC - episode #10 at Linuxcrypt.net Podcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Source Engine to hit Linux soon? http://blog.sillica.com/2008/05/30/valve-source-engine-to-hit-linux-soon/ I’ve been meaning to write this post for awhile. It’s old news by now I’m sure, Phoronix [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Source Engine to hit Linux soon? <a href="http://blog.sillica.com/2008/05/30/valve-source-engine-to-hit-linux-soon/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.sillica.com/2008/05/30/valve-source-engine-to-hit-linux-soon/</a> I’ve been meaning to write this post for awhile. It’s old news by now I’m sure, Phoronix [...]</p>
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		<title>By: neonbagpiper</title>
		<link>http://blog.sillica.com/2008/05/30/valve-source-engine-to-hit-linux-soon/comment-page-2/#comment-5397</link>
		<dc:creator>neonbagpiper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not the savviest computer user, but I am no dolt. I realize that linux is an amazing idea, and an amazing operating system. Though there are some problems. While there is support from connical,the maker of ubuntu, most other linux systems that have support require you to buy a already essentially free product then pay for support *cough* red hat *cough* *cough*. Admitedly that is a very minor problem and ubuntu is amazing any, so there is no reason not to use it. The more pressing issue, that may be solvable or not, is that companies who use custom hardware such as Apple (can&#039;t really think of anyone else) have an operating system designed for the hardware, but the hardware is made so &quot;different&quot; that it many mac machines, such as my own, require fiddling about to run it and that is not even a sure thing. (By the way, I am never getting a mac machine again, I will just use hackintosh or linux, on a home built box next time.) But I would like to emphasize that I am not the norm, most Mac OS X users stick to Mac OS X. But even so, I was able to find a huge online community dedicated just for mac ubuntu. If linux is a operating system only five people use then the mac section would be a single person, that being me. I also saw that somebody said that Mac was made inherently slow, I am no mac fanboy, but I would like to say, shut it, you don&#039;t know what you are talking about. Anyway getting back on topic lets take a look at UNIX verses MS-dos. Unix is what is linux is based on, MS dos is what windows is based on (not sure about vista) UNIX was born in the late 1960&#039;s whereas MS-dos was born in late 1980&#039;s the funny thing is, that instead of basing there system on a OS that had 20 years of prior experience Billy decided to write his OS from the ground up take very few elements from Unix.  
(not to diss Bill Gates, he is a great guy who made a stupid OS, Steve Jobs is a asshole, who built a wonderful Operating system, and Linus Torvald (is that his name?) was a arogant ass who started a revolution in software)  
A certain logic can tell us well that the more time you spend on a any system, the more the kinks get worked out, another system of logic could tell us that building something knowing that it can be done, you could take out fundamental problems. But all in all time will tell, you look at it know despite Window&#039;s popularity, any one who knows alot about programing and computers in general, will tell you that Unix based systems are far more elegant than the clunky windows systems. The problem is very few people are master programmers but far more are amature programmers, who like the shortcuts in programming for windows (Direct X is an example) over the Control one recives when programing for linux or Unix (Open GL is another example). Once more people lose sight of the old saying that; a designer knows when he has attained perfection not when he has nothing left to add, but nothing left to take away. Now those of you who are about to say wait, this unix based system comes with this program and that, well that isn&#039;t exactly what I am talking about, I am talking about the fundamentals for a system to run. Many Linux distros come stocked up with a whole bunch software and some that windows users may not even recognize as software. Linux is by itself modular, each module is much like applications, many of them you can take, but something that Windows users don&#039;t understand right off the bat is that some of them, stilling being Applications, you can&#039;t take away. Many modules, much like a application is not dependent for running the OS. This allows isolated corruption of files, so unlike windows, only one very specific part of the OS may fail, making it far easier to repair, but almost never to you have a catastrophic failure like in windows, where everything is jumbled a house of cards, if you remove one thing it all comes crashing done. I love linux and I love mac OS X, but I do realize that in a world where one corporation dominates 80% of the market share, it is hard, for some to move away, unfortunatly not everyone knows this information, which means it becomes an advertising battle, and whoever wins gets takes all. This means that programmers begin to write code exclusivly for Windows and then you lose the compatibillity with the many other Unix and linux systems, since the two are really easily ported form one to another. 
Theres my rant, anyone who knows this stuff correct me about my facts. By the way me saying Unix/Linux is better than MS-Dos is not a fact, it is an opinion, so don&#039;t be a douche a say your wrong, actually give reason. Oh and Transonic Shut Up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not the savviest computer user, but I am no dolt. I realize that linux is an amazing idea, and an amazing operating system. Though there are some problems. While there is support from connical,the maker of ubuntu, most other linux systems that have support require you to buy a already essentially free product then pay for support *cough* red hat *cough* *cough*. Admitedly that is a very minor problem and ubuntu is amazing any, so there is no reason not to use it. The more pressing issue, that may be solvable or not, is that companies who use custom hardware such as Apple (can&#8217;t really think of anyone else) have an operating system designed for the hardware, but the hardware is made so &#8220;different&#8221; that it many mac machines, such as my own, require fiddling about to run it and that is not even a sure thing. (By the way, I am never getting a mac machine again, I will just use hackintosh or linux, on a home built box next time.) But I would like to emphasize that I am not the norm, most Mac OS X users stick to Mac OS X. But even so, I was able to find a huge online community dedicated just for mac ubuntu. If linux is a operating system only five people use then the mac section would be a single person, that being me. I also saw that somebody said that Mac was made inherently slow, I am no mac fanboy, but I would like to say, shut it, you don&#8217;t know what you are talking about. Anyway getting back on topic lets take a look at UNIX verses MS-dos. Unix is what is linux is based on, MS dos is what windows is based on (not sure about vista) UNIX was born in the late 1960&#8217;s whereas MS-dos was born in late 1980&#8217;s the funny thing is, that instead of basing there system on a OS that had 20 years of prior experience Billy decided to write his OS from the ground up take very few elements from Unix.<br />
(not to diss Bill Gates, he is a great guy who made a stupid OS, Steve Jobs is a asshole, who built a wonderful Operating system, and Linus Torvald (is that his name?) was a arogant ass who started a revolution in software)<br />
A certain logic can tell us well that the more time you spend on a any system, the more the kinks get worked out, another system of logic could tell us that building something knowing that it can be done, you could take out fundamental problems. But all in all time will tell, you look at it know despite Window&#8217;s popularity, any one who knows alot about programing and computers in general, will tell you that Unix based systems are far more elegant than the clunky windows systems. The problem is very few people are master programmers but far more are amature programmers, who like the shortcuts in programming for windows (Direct X is an example) over the Control one recives when programing for linux or Unix (Open GL is another example). Once more people lose sight of the old saying that; a designer knows when he has attained perfection not when he has nothing left to add, but nothing left to take away. Now those of you who are about to say wait, this unix based system comes with this program and that, well that isn&#8217;t exactly what I am talking about, I am talking about the fundamentals for a system to run. Many Linux distros come stocked up with a whole bunch software and some that windows users may not even recognize as software. Linux is by itself modular, each module is much like applications, many of them you can take, but something that Windows users don&#8217;t understand right off the bat is that some of them, stilling being Applications, you can&#8217;t take away. Many modules, much like a application is not dependent for running the OS. This allows isolated corruption of files, so unlike windows, only one very specific part of the OS may fail, making it far easier to repair, but almost never to you have a catastrophic failure like in windows, where everything is jumbled a house of cards, if you remove one thing it all comes crashing done. I love linux and I love mac OS X, but I do realize that in a world where one corporation dominates 80% of the market share, it is hard, for some to move away, unfortunatly not everyone knows this information, which means it becomes an advertising battle, and whoever wins gets takes all. This means that programmers begin to write code exclusivly for Windows and then you lose the compatibillity with the many other Unix and linux systems, since the two are really easily ported form one to another.<br />
Theres my rant, anyone who knows this stuff correct me about my facts. By the way me saying Unix/Linux is better than MS-Dos is not a fact, it is an opinion, so don&#8217;t be a douche a say your wrong, actually give reason. Oh and Transonic Shut Up</p>
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